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| Question about a swap rule; first person can have a last move? | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 23 2009, 10:10 AM (727 Views) | |
| Amberkatze | Nov 24 2009, 03:22 PM Post #21 |
The Queen of Paranormal
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Can someone at least write the rule here so I know what the rule is 
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| dancing-dog | Nov 24 2009, 04:12 PM Post #22 |
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The rule is: If the very first person in the swap does not get their book stolen, then at the end of the swap they will get a turn to steal from someone else. Does that help? So if you were first, and after you revealed the first book you never got to play again, then you have a chance to play. |
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| zzz | Nov 24 2009, 04:26 PM Post #23 |
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So, in practice: I started the game and revealed: "An unwanted book" and at some point you decides to reveal the last unrevealed book: "An awesome book" and according to this rule this doesn't end the game but now I have a chance to play and in case I want "An awesome book" you will end with "An unwanted book"? First person basically switch the book that no one wanted entire game (book s/he holds) with the player that holds the book s/he is stealing? And only then the game is over? I've never seen that and yes I would definitively like to know prior the game starts whether this rule will be applied or not. |
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| Amberkatze | Nov 24 2009, 05:14 PM Post #24 |
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Thank you! That is exactly what I needed! A clear explanation! Never seen this rule before in a swap and never heard of it before. Oh and I wouldn't add it to a swap I was hosting. Swaps always come down to the luck of the draw and there is always a chance you are going to get stuck with an unwanted book. You can always say thanks but no thanks at the end of the game. Usually we are all friendly enough and offer a replacement. Edited by Amberkatze, Nov 24 2009, 05:17 PM.
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| Sunlightbub | Nov 24 2009, 06:09 PM Post #25 |
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As hosts of the YBS, Elsi and I have discussed and will not be applying the rule discussed above. Hope that doesn't put anyone off playing
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| HoserLauren | Nov 24 2009, 06:54 PM Post #26 |
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As a host of Non-Fiction and Non-Genre, I do impose this rule (until I'm told that I can't....). Ditto to what Sunny says - I hope this doesn't put anyone off playing. |
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| elsi | Nov 24 2009, 07:06 PM Post #27 |
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While I don't intend to implement this rule in the YBS -- well, unless there's a site requirement to do so -- I think it's most important for players to understand *what* the rules are for any swap rather than for us to have the exact same rules in every swap. For example, the majority of swaps have a 5-steal limit where the book is taken out of the game on the 5th steal. But I've played in swaps with 4 steals and other swaps with 6 steals. It can be fun to stir it up a bit because your strategy (for those who try to apply a strategy though I don't) is definitely affected by the maximum number of steals. Since we're all friends here and playing in swaps is supposed to be fun, I'm sure hoping that no one will get their feelings hurt regardless of which rules are implemented in any swap. |
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| Marlene | Nov 25 2009, 06:35 AM Post #28 |
Crazy Foreign Woman
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Well I must say I am not really happy about that to be honest and I am glad now that I started this thread. It sucks a bit for me cause I am unlucky in that those 2 are both swaps I participate in and because you want to use this rule I have to abide to it or not play. so that means I am out of playing or I must host my own swap with my own rules?  Isn't it an idea to ask the people who participate in a swap what they want? If the majority wants it okay? |
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| Potok-fan | Nov 25 2009, 10:39 AM Post #29 |
Team Banzai
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 Well said.
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| Potok-fan | Nov 25 2009, 10:43 AM Post #30 |
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 sorry Marleney, but I would say, "them's the breaks". (not that it's up to me!)As you said, if you decide to host a swap you can make your own rules. But it's better to know up front what the rules will be, and then you can decide whether or not to play.  Question to everyone: How often does this happen anyway? (that person number 1 never gets stolen from?) Edited by Potok-fan, Nov 25 2009, 10:44 AM.
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| Sunlightbub | Nov 25 2009, 03:20 PM Post #31 |
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It's quite rare I think, and I think it's dfficult to ask before every swap what people want the rules to be. It personally wouldn't bother me what the rule was, but I think what's important that people do know the rules before they start. Hands up for being guilty of not making it clear in the YBS. |
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| HoserLauren | Nov 25 2009, 11:32 PM Post #32 |
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If this rule is put to the entire forum in a poll as an official swap rule where people can vote, I would accept the outcome of that poll as the rule to my swaps. Otherwise I'm going to continue with what I've been doing. Of all the swaps I've hosted in the last three plus years, this has only happened once so I don't really see what the big deal is. We all go in to the swap knowing that we may not get a book we like. If this rule is invoked, the worst that can happen is that you get a book you don't really want... which is what the expectation was to begin with. I don't know. I don't see the issue
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| AceofHearts | Nov 25 2009, 11:50 PM Post #33 |
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okay, I have kept quiet for some time. I first stated the rule as it was and felt later like Peeps here thought it was my rule and was a little mad at some of the reaction. The rule was brought in at the time for a reason i.e.the first person having no play time. I have not stated what I THINK as I really don't think it comes up that often and the result Someone ending up with a book they don't like is the same in all cases. So we have this huge discussion and the result ends up peeps saying they won't participate. Off the site for a while to cool down
Edited by AceofHearts, Nov 25 2009, 11:51 PM.
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| elsi | Nov 26 2009, 12:33 AM Post #34 |
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This rule wouldn't keep me from playing in a swap. I play mostly for fun and secondly for the opportunity to read books that I might not know about otherwise. I can honestly say that BO is directly responsible for me trying -- and liking -- historical fiction and PUF. I also tried erotica but discovered it's just not my cup of tea. In the two years I've been playing here at BO -- and in the time I was at the old Book Relay place -- I've never seen the rule applied. So, having never been aware of the rule, I have simply stated my opinion. If it's a written rule that's been in place for a while, I'll be glad to apply it in the YBS if that's what should be done. If it's flexible like the number of steals before a book is taken from the game, then I think I'll not apply it in the YBS. But I will keep an eye on the players and try to make sure that everyone is having fun -- or as much fun as is possible. |
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| giz-angel | Nov 26 2009, 07:12 AM Post #35 |
my name's Giz and I'm an addict
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What she said I hadn't noticed either, and I was happy with my book. I honestly wouldn't worry about changing the rule for the YBS but that's just my opinion. |
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| giz-angel | Nov 26 2009, 07:15 AM Post #36 |
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my name's Giz and I'm an addict
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Oh and I think it's not worth changing stuff for the site, it's got to be quite rare it happens that way and even rarer that a player will take the extra go if offered, so it's down to individual hosts how they want to apply that variation, no? Sorry, I've sort of read bits of this thread and so if I am just stating the obvious then apologies 
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| Potok-fan | Nov 26 2009, 07:27 AM Post #37 |
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I can't believe that the phrase "the breaks" has been used 4 times in this thread already (not counting quotes). I was one of the four  and I would have sworn when I used it that it hadn't been used already (that's why I put it in quotes up there)... but nope, I was completely unoriginal and just unwittingly parroting what other people had said!
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| zzz | Nov 26 2009, 07:57 AM Post #38 |
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I hope my posts weren’t the one that people were upset about. I stated that I’d like to know about the rule before the swap. Truth, I never saw this rule has been applied in years I’ve been participating but (and now I’m stating my opinion about the rule for the first time) I don’t see justification for this rule. Sure, everyone is aware of the risk that they might end with an unwanted book when playing in the swap. Every call for reveal bears that risk and the risk that no one will steal book you’re holding. However, with this rule ending with an unwanted book has been imposed and has nothing to do with you. You’re forced to end with the book you clearly said ”I don’t want it (otherwise I’d steal it during the game)” I do see a big difference with the risk to end with an unwanted book (many have mentioned here) when you call reveal and ending with that book after this rule is applied. It’s totally not the same. Then someone has mentioned, what about second on the list? I don’t see big difference between first and second on the list not playing entire game. Truth, this will be applied extremely rarely and I doubt it would affect my decision to play in swap (I might only request from the host not to put me on the first spot cause I certainly wouldn’t like to be the one who would take book I’d like from someone and give them book I know they don’t want. Unless I as a first person have right to refuse to make a move and just said game is over without playing). But also I really don’t see the reason why people are so upset and mad because others are stating their opinion about something that is completely new to them? I for sure would be very, VERY upset if I’ve found out about this rule in the swap I’m playing and thanks to it ended with an unwanted book. Now THAT would be the reason for not playing in any future swap with that rule (and 100% I wouldn’t play)! However, it’s quite different story now that I know what could expect in the swap so I do think that “this huge discussion” is quite constructive (and by the way, since when it's mandatory to agree?). |
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| fantasy221 | Nov 26 2009, 02:52 PM Post #39 |
Make small talk? I'd rather be reading.
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I havent seen this rule used in swaps here but I don't think it's really that big of a deal. I don't know if it's a question of fairness but it does suck to be the first person to play only to never get to play. To me, that's even more unfair (if we're using this word) to not even get a chance to play than ending up with a book that you don't really want. At least when youre playing in a swap you know that you might end up with an unwanted book, as its been said already, that's a chance you take. But when you sign up to play, everyone assumes that theyre going to get a chance to play. The first person who only asks for a reveal and never gets their book stolen from them doesn't even get that chance. So this rule at least gives them that opportunity. And as long that everyone knows about it, then there shouldn't be a problem. I played in a swap on PBS where after the last book was revealed EVERYONE got to go through and have one last turn at stealing a book (as long as it wasn't out of play). I think it was your choice whether you wanted to have one last steal or if you were happy with your book, but it added another day onto the play time, at least, so be glad that's not the rule that's being floated here!! Edited by fantasy221, Nov 26 2009, 02:55 PM.
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| VeganMedusa | Nov 26 2009, 04:05 PM Post #40 |
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